#016 - If potty training wasn't hard enough before, now attempting it while working from home during a pandemic seems impossible.
In this episode, we chat with Potty Training consultant Jacklyn Gravel from Hey.Sweet.Cheeks and get her top tips on what to expect and how to work through different challenges.
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potty training, it's either really easy for some, or really difficult. But potty training in a pandemic is a whole other beast.
Daniel Norton:Especially working from home and all the things that might seem unnatural or unusual. Yes. So in this episode, we talk with potty training consultant, Jacqueline gravel from Hey, sweet cheeks. We're going to talk all about potty training during pandemic, and a whole lot more. So, if potty training is something coming up, or something you're currently dealing with, you're gonna want to listen to this episode.
Bumper:Welcome to working home parents helping you find stability between client calls, and potty training. Because we're all figuring this out as we go. And now, your hosts, Amanda and Dan Norton.
Daniel Norton:So 2020 we decided it would be a good time to potty train. And we've been potty training this entire time. Yeah, it's what it feels like. It's not been easy.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah. I thought it'd be so much easier, but it's okay. So while I was searching for tips and everything on Instagram for how to potty train, I ran across, Jacqueline's, Instagram, hey, sweet cheeks, and love the tips that she had and loved the encouragement she had. So I was like, Let's invite her on. She's great. And she's been there even just recently with her daughter. So this is exciting. Because we could use the encouragement, I'm sure some of you who have little ones that are approaching the phase of potty training, or you're in the thick of it, you could use encouragement, you can use some tips. So I'm excited to have her on today.
Daniel Norton:So let's get into the interview. Hi, Jacqueline, thank
Amanda Norton:you so much for joining us today. We're so excited to learn from your expertise about potty trading.
Jacklyn Gravel:Thank you.
Amanda Norton:But first, can you give us a little background into your story and how you got into all of this? Okay.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, um, so I am the mother of a toddler. Um, so I definitely have my fair share of, you know, potty training experience and everything that kind of goes along with that, you know, when she was born, I, you know, you're just bombarded with so many questions and so much advice. So I used myself a lot of consultants, you know, with lactation or sleep, or just, you know, dietitians or baby led weaning, for feeding. And I just kind of wanted, I felt so passionate about it, that I wanted to figure out a way that I could contribute to that, you know, I wanted to be able to help parents, our job is hard. And, you know, we kind of just serve that non judgmental support. And I wanted to go into an area that didn't have a lot of support. And that ended up being potty training. So I trained with one of the original potty training consultants, Alison, Jen do, She's the author of a few potty training books, and I just kind of dove right into it. And that's kind of how I got started. And I am also going to school for child psychology. So that kind of goes along with it. But I just wanted to do my part to support parents in any way that I could.
Amanda Norton:That sounds amazing. Yeah, I'm a social worker. So I totally understand the child's psychology how it really does relate to this potty training business. It's so intense, it's like the textbooks are coming to life you know, and and it really does make sense that our behavior as the parents total in our attitude about potty training really impacts them. So we're the first thing I found was your Instagram, I saw this post he said development is not linear, every child will learn and develop at their own pace. And and so you had a graph that you showed, what you expect as a parent and how the how it's gonna go how potty training is gonna go and you show this straight line to success. I thought that was so cool. And then the next. The next graph next to it was like, how it's how it really is the reality and it starts and it's like, a squiggly line. Like, it's just like all the way up to success. And that really encouraged me because we've had multiple struggles for several months, aren't we first really hardcore potty trained our son. In April, I was I was really focused, we both were really, really gung ho about it. So when I saw that, because we've had our ups and downs with it, I thought it was going to be easy. I mean, our son was interested in the potty for for like, at least six months by the time we started. And I think also in one of your posts saying, don't call, don't call this or don't call your child difficult. Say we're struggling, your child is struggling.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah, I think that really helps kind of seeing other parents that are struggling as well. Because, you know, a lot of times on social media, you see everybody's highlight reel, and nobody's gonna go on social media and say, My child is really, really struggling with potty training. And you know, there's poop and pee everywhere. Like, nobody's gonna go on and say that, so no, being able to know that you're not alone in that, and that there are going to be periods of ups and downs and highs and lows, but how you can support your child through that, I think is really important.
Daniel Norton:Yeah, I mean, I like what you were explaining there was like the the idea of it's, it's not really a linear experience, like, how would you explain that like, to someone like, do you have a story around that? Like, we're just not a linear experience getting into potty training? Yeah, I
Jacklyn Gravel:am. I mean, I feel like with anything with development with children, I'm, like I said, with social media, or even just with family, friends, even siblings, like you can't compare your child's journey to any other child. Yeah, you know, some children are gonna start walking at nine months, my daughter didn't start walking until she was 15, almost 16 months. And it's gonna be the same thing with potty training, you know, some children, you're gonna see on social media, that people are gonna say, Oh, my child just did it on their own. And two days, we're done. But for a lot of kids, that's not the case. And that kind of goes along with everything in parenting, I think, you know, your child isn't going to go on your timeline, they're gonna go on their own.
Daniel Norton:So true. Yeah, so true. And I think that a lot of that makes sense. You know, this year with things kind of being crazy and upside down for the majority of people in their homes. What have you experienced with this year that maybe is different in other years?
Unknown:Yeah, this year has been so busy. You know, everybody is home. So they think you know, that's a really good time to try and Potty Train because you're going to be home with your child. But it's also they're so out of their routine. And that can kind of throw things off to, there is a lot of stress that we're taking on as parents and as much as we try to kind of shield our kids from that they're going to pick up on it, they're going to kind of get the vibes that are in the house. So, you know, this year, I have had a lot of clients. And, you know, a lot of parents are struggling, but that's okay. Because, you know, that's what I'm there to kind of help with.
Daniel Norton:Yeah, I can see like, so that was basically our experience early in this because, you know, I wasn't working in the office anymore, and commuting. And we were like, right, maybe this will be the perfect time to do it. Like get it done in three days, right? Yes, that's what we've been told is the way it happens, right? Three days, just focus the whole three days on it, and you'll, you'll get through it. And it went from being like in encouraging experience day one to like, day three being like the worst.
Jacklyn Gravel:No, actually, by day two, like I was, it was so like, as a parent, it was extremely exhausting, emotionally. and physically. I felt so drained. But yeah, by day two, I in the afternoon, I was like, I don't know if I could do this anymore. And day three, you were at church, so I was alone with him. And it was extremely challenging. I think at that point, I gave up and I was like, I can't do this anymore. Like couldn't believe that this is so hard. I'm like, how did they do it back then? I didn't read any books. I didn't look up on any Instagrams yet. I was telling a lot of my friends from church and my friends from church who had little ones were giving me advice on different books and I'm like, I don't have time to read whatever. But this awesome audio book, I read and I read I listened to was so encouraging and I cried when I first listened to it because they said one of the biggest things that parents make a mistake with is not coming to potty training prepare us and and I knew I blew it because after that weekend, my son was terrified of the potty. And I you know, I knew that a lot of my patients were was really low and I was really agitated because I just didn't want to have to keep cleaning up these accidents. And that projected onto my son. And I felt terrible. So when I read this audible book, it was super encouraging. But it was also super convicting. And it made me very emotional thinking, I'm the worst parent, whatever, you know, like to go down that rabbit trail of mom guilt, you know. So, yeah, that kind of scarred me after that weekend. And then we actually called our pediatrician what maybe a few weeks later, saying, what do we do? Our kid is terrified. And we've we had the pressure on ourselves to, to just tried to get the potty trained, done. And he actually told us to take a break. And I was like, Are you sure? Like, what if he never returns to the body? You know, but then I also read in one of your posts that it is totally fine to take a break. Yeah, they need that. Yeah,
Unknown:I mean, it definitely depends on the situation. But like that, if you are feeling extremely stressed out by it, and you feel like, I did not know what I got myself into, I'm not ready, then that's okay. Because you are your child's teacher through this process. So if the teacher is not prepared, you know, obviously, the student isn't going to know what to do. And that's one of my biggest, biggest tips with anybody that contacts me is to just prepare yourself. And, you know, it doesn't matter if they go with my method, or if they go with someone else's method. Or if you come up with your own, that's fine. As long as you have a plan, and you know, your plan, and you feel prepared. And you study it, you know, like I say, print it out, write it out, whatever, put it on the fridge, talk to everybody that has a hand in your child's life, that's going to need to be consistent with this plan. And then you'll go into it feeling a little bit more confident. And when accidents do happen, because they are going to happen, you'll be a little bit more better prepared with how to deal with it. Even as far as just, you know, stocking up on cleaning supplies, and tons of underwear and, you know, protecting your couches and carpets and things like that, you know, doing that, it seems like a little thing. But it really does make you just feel a little bit more relaxed going into the process, because you know, that you're prepared. You know, I
Daniel Norton:think the thing with parents, with with all of us ends up being like when we're in the middle of that struggle or that challenge. I mean, this goes all the way back to when you have a newborn, right. Like it's a struggle, and you feel like it's never gonna end like those sleepless nights, and then finally ends and you're like that, that wasn't so bad afterwards, but in it, it feels like forever. Yes. And I think that really with potty training that that could that is the struggle, at least for us. And I'm sure with a lot. Can you tell us about a time where you've had maybe a story of someone that has been that where they've just been in this where it's like, oh, this is the worst possible thing? And how you were able to help them out of this?
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, definitely. I mean, I have a lot of clients that have tried different methods, and this has gone on for months and months. And then they come to me. And I think one of the biggest things, having a consultant help you is just that, we've kind of done all the research for you and read the books, and we can kind of give you specific tips that are going to be for your child's personality and for your family's lifestyle. And just having feeling like you have somebody in your corner that can kind of talk you down when you're feeling like I'm done. Done, I I want to quit, and being able to just, you know, a lot of my clients will email me or text me just having somebody there to be able to be like, it's okay. Like, take a breath, try this, try this, you know, message me in the morning, and we'll figure it out together. I think that helps a lot. And even just, you know, without having a consultant, having somebody, if you can, you know, have somebody in your life that is non judgmental, that you can go to and just say like, this is my struggle, I just need to talk about it, and not necessarily get your advice, but just kind of get things off your chest. If you can have that set up ahead of time that will help the process a lot, I think,
Daniel Norton:yeah, that makes so much sense to me. Like everything, it's you get into those moments, you know, they call it the 3am times where you're struggling through. And it's always for some reason three in the morning when all the craziness happens, yes. But to be able to have someone to go to and respond off that knows your situation and knows your struggle. You could talk to us that that's invaluable with no matter what kind of scenario. So that's really encouraging to hear it like that's how that works. I think a lot of us don't know like, we don't know how consultant works when it comes to dealing with your own children.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah, definitely. And I mean, it's kind of like a newer field, a lot of people don't even know that there is such a thing. As a potty training consultant. I feel like sleep consultants, you know, a little bit more known now. potty training definitely isn't. And there are some people that are just like, you know, what in the world, why would you need somebody, but it's those times that you need somebody to just talk to, or to bounce ideas off of, or help you troubleshoot things. Because as parents, you don't have time to read every body training book that's out there, or research for hours on end, you kind of, it's nice to have somebody that can just quickly help you come up with some new things to try or solutions. Right?
Daniel Norton:Yeah, cuz there's so many things out there for everything. So it's like, I gotta get a book on the PI train, then I got to get a book on like, the next thing and, you know, whatever else, the next stage you're in, and I mean, I think a lot of it, I'm not a reader. Like, I'm a podcast and audio listener. So I love those those kind of resources. But there's so many things that it's so hard to like, what am I going to take the time to do this on top of everything else? Exactly. Yeah, we'll do that. So it's so good to hear like, Alright, there's someone who can go to, I think the hard part, I think, with some parents would be maybe the pride issue. Do you deal with that? Like, where it's like, we feel like Alright, well, I'm the parent. I know, I could figure this out. And they're just struggling through it.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, that definitely comes into play. I mean, of course, there's times that I will suggest things, and people are like, Nope, I'm not doing it. So that definitely comes into it, it's, it can be a hard thing to navigate. But at the end of the day, you know, I think we all just want to support our children in the best way possible. And sometimes, that means putting our own emotions to the side a little bit. So what would you say? Like our I mean, I know there's there's so many different, like tips or anything?
Daniel Norton:What would you say? Like if someone came to you and was like, Alright, what like, what would you say are like maybe your your top tip or one of some of your top tips for you know, new parents just kind of going down the road of, of potty training?
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, I might, I feel like I could go on for hours.
Daniel Norton:Yeah,
Jacklyn Gravel:but um, definitely, like I mentioned before, you know, don't compare your child to any other child, because they're on their own road, prepare a lot beforehand. And even just while you're preparing, you know, read books, watch videos, practice, let your child just have the potty in their environment and get used to even seeing it on a daily basis. You know, if you just bring it out, and all of a sudden, the diapers are gone. And you know, they're supposed to sit and use this, and they've never seen it before, that's super omere overwhelming. So you can even just have them sit on it with clothes on at first, to get them more comfortable, use a lot of play, children do some of their best learning through play. So having you know them practice with a doll or a stuffed animal. And let them observe you as you know, kind of strange as it sounds. But you know, they really need to just kind of normalize the process. And while you're doing that, you can start writing down some things that are specific to your child. So if you know that they typically go at a certain time of day, you know, I'd write that down, because you're going to need to know that when you eliminate the diapers, or if they have kind of potty cues, we call them, you know, if they typically hide when they're going across their legs, or squatting or anything like that, that's going to be super helpful for you to know when you do eliminate the diapers as well. And another thing that I tell people is they'll go from the diapers to the pull ups. And the pull ups kind of hinder the process quite a bit, because they are so closely. You know, they're so similar to diapers, they mimic the feeling of the diaper so much. And they just kind of quickly draw away any moisture from the child. So they don't ever get to feel the sensation of being let and that they need to feel that to be able to make the connection of the cause and effect of how their body's feeling and then what happens. So definitely going to underwear is going to be super helpful and even sizing up on the underwear because if it's really snug, it's also going to mimic the feeling of a diaper. And sometimes their muscle memory just kind of kicks in and they'll just go interesting. So that's a really, really good one that I tell people right away. Good point. And if they're a little bit loose, yeah, if they're a little bit looser even just makes it easier for them to kind of pull them down and learn how to manage the dressing and undressing as well, because that's something that a lot of kids are still working on. Well,
Daniel Norton:yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Because I mean, I think in the beginning, when we were doing that, it was like the immediate switch, like no divers, the underwear and the underwear. It definitely was like, it was fitting, you know, it wasn't tight, but it was just it was fitting as opposed to being loose. And he was, you know, feeling like, Alright, yeah, he's gonna go, even in those. So, yeah, that that makes a lot of sense that they would be to go with something a little looser.
Amanda Norton:Now, what is your suggestion for parents who are told because their schools are requiring for them to wear pull ups? And but they're also encouraging potty training? How would you like encourage a parent to just like maybe just like, like you said, just take away the pull ups altogether, even if they're in school, because this is the this is the thing that the teachers don't want to have to deal with an accident probably in the middle of the classroom. So have you run across that?
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, that's super common, something that we deal with all the time. And usually, what I would suggest is switching the child to like a cotton training underwear, it almost looks a little bit like a cotton diaper, like the reusable diapers. So it looks a little bit like that, but it's a bit smaller. And usually those kind of will help contain the mess for the teacher, but the child still gets a sensation of being wet. And obviously they don't want to stay like that. So I usually will suggest those. And sometimes even just wearing a pair of underwear underneath there, pull up Okay, so that they get that sensation.
Daniel Norton:That's really good.
Amanda Norton:Yeah. I have a question. One of my good friends was super excited to have you on as a guest, because she is definitely going to be listening to this episode. And I never heard of what she's experiencing with her son. She said 95% of the time for her son, he sleep poops, and they're solid poops. Sometimes they're, they're not solid. Sometimes they're a little like diarrhea ish. But it's always at night. And he's fine with the regular potty to go. Number one. Have you ever heard of a sleep pooper?
Jacklyn Gravel:So usually, I would say if he is withholding at all or suffers at all from constipation, then yes, that is definitely common for kids that, you know, if they're kind of trying to avoid going during the day, and especially if he's still in a pull up, he might be more relaxed when he goes to sleep, because he knows that he's in that pull up. And he's able to kind of release himself more, it's more of a mental thing, I would say then physical. But if he's constipated at all, especially if he's having, you know, not solid poops during the night, then your sensitivity is a little bit hindered when you are constipated. And he might not even realize that he's going or he might have a blockage and kind of this looser stool is the only thing that is able to get by it and he doesn't have control over that. So I would definitely check for any kind of constipation. Okay, or start him on some, you know, probiotics, sometimes magnesium supplements can help definitely consult your pediatrician by that, of course. But getting him checked out for constipation would definitely be my first
Amanda Norton:thought. So what is like a normal amount of going number two and going number one for like a three year old,
Jacklyn Gravel:the range of how many poops per day or per week. For children that age is huge. It's insane. It's like between, you know, four and 20. So per week. So it's really, really huge. And that kind of goes back to your preparation in the beginning. Because you can kind of track how often your child usually goes what's normal for them because each child has their own normal. And once you eliminate the diapers or the pull ups, you know, pee and poop frequency does decrease a little bit, but you definitely wouldn't want to go I wouldn't say More than like two days without going. So then you would want to start looking into, you know, the probiotics or maybe the mirror relax things like that consulting with your pediatrician about that.
Daniel Norton:Yeah, is there any like particular kind of gear you would like suggest getting like certain kinds of toilet seat or anything like that.
Jacklyn Gravel:So if a child is having issues with pooping, I usually would suggest one of those smaller floor potties at first, just because it does get them in a better position to be able to go because ideally, you want a child's feet supported flat on the floor, you want their knees bent, and there needs to be a bit higher than their hips. And that's going to get them in the best possible position to be able to go with the least amount of effort on their part, because they're kind of still working on their pelvic floor muscle coordination, on how to poop basically sitting down because a lot of times they'll go standing up. Yeah, so that gets them in the best possible position for that. And it also just feels a bit more secure, you know, it's more their size, their don't have to climb on and off. So it can be just less intimidating all around, even for pee as well. But if a child is showing preference for using the bigger toilet, you know, that's perfectly fine. But I would definitely look for a stool that is going to support their feet and get them in that positioning that I mentioned before.
Daniel Norton:It's sort of like the theory behind the squatty potty for adults, right?
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes. And it's actually you know, it's really good for adults as well.
Daniel Norton:Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, that was the first thing that came to mind.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, they have a kid's version basically called like, the super pooper. squatty. potty. Oh, I forgot, like the exact name. But it's basically like that, and it looks just like the adult version. But it's so great to get them in that proper positioning. Just Yeah, kind of like, um, kinks things a little bit, and makes it easier for them to go, especially if they are struggling with constipation, or they're just nervous. And they don't really know what to do yet when they're sitting down.
Daniel Norton:How would you suggest responding when you see one of those signals? Because I think that's one of the areas we messed up with? was when that weekend we were like are we're gonna go hard on this. He's gonna wake up and it's gonna be, you know, we're gonna be all in on doing this. Yeah, it was like the second we see that signal of Oh, he's definitely gonna go It was like, all right, grab him. Take him in there. And it definitely was. We know that, I think. Because then the second he felt like he had to go, he was like, tensing up and trying to like,
Amanda Norton:that's quite nice. That kid that whole week?
Jacklyn Gravel:No, it can always be fixed.
Amanda Norton:But Good, good. There's hope.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah, I think that is one of the hardest habits to break for many parents, because as soon as they start potty training, you know, every 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, whatever it is, do you have to go potty? Do you have to go potty? Do you have to go potty. And that's just like, kind of the go to phrase, unfortunately. But it invites the child to use their favorite word, as you know, young kids is no, no, no, no, even when they do have to go? Yeah. So one of the best things I tell people, even though it's the hardest to do is try to stick to minimal prompting throughout the day, and just kind of take the pressure off of them. And a lot of times, you know, kids, if they have to go to the bathroom every 10 or 20 minutes, then they're not ready to potty train anyways, or they have some kind of medical condition going on that would need to be addressed. So, you know, if you're constantly kind of bothering them about it, then it's just going to lead to annoyance and frustration and kind of power struggles between you and your child. So the best thing that you can do is just take the pressure off, kind of let them lead the process a little bit. And if you notice any of those cues, like they're hiding, or squatting or doing whatever they do, you can kind of just say like, Oh, it looks like your body, you know needs to go potty. You know, your potty is right over here. Why don't you try when you're ready? Or, you know, it seems like your body needs to go pee. Do you? How does that feel to you? Or do you feel that kind of inviting them to make the choice to use a potty because that's going to lead to a little bit more cooperation if they feel like they are involved in making that decision?
Daniel Norton:It's like leading to them them to the yes also, like,
Jacklyn Gravel:yeah, and a lot of times in the beginning, if you are keeping the potty nearby, that's really helpful as well. Because you can just kind of quickly and casually redirect like, oh, there's your party. Like why don't you sit down when you're ready, I'm gonna do this or kind of turn your back or do whatever, and just take the pressure off of them. And if they do start to go, then at least the party is right there. And you can try to redirect them as quickly as possible, even placing them on it. And if they get anything in it, then you should treat it as a success and you know, praise them, celebrate them, show them what they did. And that usually goes over a lot better than just the constant kind of like, do you have to go? Do you have to go?
Amanda Norton:That's where I messed up.
Jacklyn Gravel:I'm so and it's so easy to do. Yeah, it's so easy to just because especially when you know that they have to go. And you're like, come on, come on, come on. It's so hard to take that pressure off. Yeah. But it usually leads to a lot less resistance. Okay.
Daniel Norton:Yeah, that makes sense. What's, what's your thoughts on rewards? For going?
Jacklyn Gravel:Yes, it's definitely a, you know, controversial subject, you could say, you know, some people are really, really against them. Personally, I see them work great. Okay. Um, you know, there's a big difference between the reward and the bribe. And I think that the biggest thing is, is your preparation, again, is kind of laying it out there, like, this is what you get, this is your expected behavior, whereas the bribe is kind of just thrown out in the moment out of desperation, like, I'll give you whatever you want, if you do this, yep. But when you motivate your child, and when you kind of reward them for a job well done, because they're really working to overcome something huge for them, you know, they've been using the diapers their whole life. And switching over to underwear is a huge deal in their world. So if you're rewarding their good behavior, and just keeping those consistent expectations, then they're going to build more confidence, you know, as they gain the reward. And as they're praised for Billy and, you know, hugs, dances, whatever you want to do as a family, that's going to build their confidence, and they're going to want to keep doing it.
Daniel Norton:Oh, that's great. Yeah, cuz I've definitely heard the like, never, ever use rewards, any kind of stuff, we do a sticker. So like, he'll get a sticker. And it's a little box, and he gets to pick one out. When he does go, and He really looks forward to that.
Jacklyn Gravel:As long as you're doing something, you know, that kind of motivates your child, because each child has their own motivation. And you're keeping it consistent to using the potty, you're giving it immediately after success in your keeping it only for using the potty their pee or poop, whatever you want to do, then they usually work out really well. And that's what I encourage with anybody that I work with.
Daniel Norton:Yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah, I'm happy to hear that. I know for sure. We're like, we just have that sitting on a shelf in the bathroom. And that's why he likes to go at night as an excuse to not go to sleep. So this is where we have the Battle of the sleep consultant. Because he's like, you know, it's like 10 o'clock at night, and he's still awake. And it's like, I've got to go potty. And I'm like, What am I gonna say? No. But at the same time, he needs to go to bed. But I'm like, I'm not gonna say no, because you're the only time in the day you're ever gonna say yes, my night when you're trying to stay awake. So he's got that understanding of what to do. He just doesn't want to do it during normal hours.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of times with that, is I tell my clients to do a potty pass. So basically, they have either, whatever you feel is appropriate for them, either one or two kind of potty passes for the night. And then when they use them up, then, you know, you have them. Wait until the next time, your next opportunity, if you know that they are consistently just doing it to stay up later.
Daniel Norton:Yeah. Yeah, that tends to be that tends to be the only time he is completely willing. Yeah, to and he'll go, that's the great, that's he'll actually go. Like, really? Like, why couldn't you do this two hours ago willingly. You know, right.
Jacklyn Gravel:Yeah, at least he's going some kids just use it as like, Oh, I get to use the iPad or something while I'm studying.
Amanda Norton:Yeah, yeah. Um, can you tell us about your packages and if you work with clients out of state and stuff like that?
Jacklyn Gravel:Sure. Yeah. So I work with any clients, you know, throughout the whole state, even I've worked with some in Canada and such just because it is virtual, for the most part, especially now with COVID. So you know, I am able to work through the computer through many for many different clients. I when there is no pandemic going on. I am able to go to client's homes that are nearby me, but for the most part, I do the virtual. So the main one that I have is the full package, I call it and that one is basically a questionnaire so that I can learn, you know the most about your family and your child. And then I send the clients like a full written assessment and training plan, customized to their child and your routine, you know, whatever a normal day looks like for you. And that basically covers the entire training process. So preparation, you know, to your actual training weekend rewards, good behavior, bad behavior, accidents, school nights, naps, daycare, you know, anything that comes up, and they have unlimited support, so they can contact me, you know, every day if they needed to, or for as long as they need until they basically tell me, okay, we don't need you like, we're good. So I have that one. I also do some that are specific just to nighttime training for kids that need a little bit more help with accidents at night. And then I also do like a phone and email consultation as well. And that's typically for smaller issues. So if your child is doing really well with being but they're struggling with pooping, or if they're only having accidents, at daycare or school, something like that, we kind of will work to address that specific issue that you need help with. And that's pretty much what I do. Sometimes, you know, there'll be some specials thrown in throughout the year. But those are the biggest ones that I typically wear. Great.
Daniel Norton:Thank you so much that I'm sure there's so much more we can do. And maybe one day we'll have a part two to this, because that'd be great to have you back on. How can our listeners get in touch with you? Where can they find you? Yes, so
Jacklyn Gravel:I am on Instagram at Hey, sweet cheeks. And then also my website is if you go on my Instagram, my website is right there. My email is right there. They can email me at info at Hey, sweet cheeks.org. And even just reach out to me through direct message as well. And, you know, well try to work through whatever issues come up.
Daniel Norton:Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on here,
Jacklyn Gravel:Jacqueline. Oh, my goodness. You guys are great. Thank you.
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